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Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.03 17:59:00 -
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I am looking forward for these changes to go live - but it won't stop ECM QQ post since this tweak proves that the more threads about it are written (not how many people are concerned), the more likely it's going to be changed.  |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.05 10:03:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:Those skills could have been the way to make ECCM useful.
agreed
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Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:21:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Yeah, i like the new skills. Good luck trying to jam my ECCM fitted guardian with these new skills... Hope you like slug fests 
I fly Logi alot by myself and generally agree here, but I'd make those skills effecting the ECCM stats.
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Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.09 16:51:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:Neuting is a good mechanics, it relies on actual piloting skills and can be countered by intelligent cap-boosting, as I have already written above. EWAR is plain primite piloting-wise. Finally: THERE IS NO LONG-RANGE COVERT CLOAKY NEUTING FAGGOTRY OUT THERE  Make Falcon a short-range browler just like a Pilgrim and it will become super-balanced. And there's a reason why Bhaal doesn't have any range bonuses for neuts, being able to neut from 60k would be pretty OP. So no, neuting doesn't even stand close.
Your focused point of view (you do station pvp alot by any chance?) totally denies that range is a very effective kind of tank. And taking away the diversity of ewar (by equalizing all kinds of ewar to close range types) might make you happy, but just harms the variety of possible pvp approaches of others.
To prove your very personal approach to destroy vary pvp possibilities, I've bolded the most not-so-smart parts in your statement:
Fon Revedhort wrote:Sean Parisi wrote:Colonel Xaven wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Yeah, i like the new skills. Good luck trying to jam my ECCM fitted guardian with these new skills... Hope you like slug fests I fly Logi alot by myself and generally agree here, but I'd make those skills effecting the ECCM stats. This, exactly this. As stated before for all I care ECCM can completely stop a ECM pilot from working at all. Atleast it requires forethought, intelligence and planning in order to make the pilot effective. Punish the min maxers who don't want to give up a mid or low slot in order to counter the 'dreadful' ECM plague. That's hypocrisy; fitting a ECCM is neither intelligent nor a counter.ECCM being a perfect protection from ECM makes the fight outcome determined totally at the fitting screen, that's a primitive tic-tac-toe played blind, either you 'guess' and thus win or either you don't and then lose. It's not about min-maxing, a good setup already has quite a bunch of compromises and only stupid trolls can deny that - no one goes for sheer DPS or pure speed etc., unless he is going to die horribly. It's more about the facts how: 1) eccm being totally useless unless hit by ecm 2) a lot of ships simply don't have an option of fitting it, you simply can not waste a mid on a 3-mid ship unless you fly in blobs. So using it in small-scale PvP isn't a option at least for 3-mids armour tankers and 4-5 mids shield tankers. Isn't it ironic how ECM is said to be ok or even underpowered in blobs? Finally, who the hell told you that we should seek protection against ECM alone? How about you try to suggest us fitting a couple of SeBos to 'counter' damps or loads of TCs to 'counter' TDs? That would be even more of intelligent and foresight fitting. LOL
So, you might have a all-in-wonder fit where you don't have a "spare" slot for ECCM. Don't blame others for that. But I'm afraid to tell you that the whole pvp-approach in this game is a rock-paper-scissors mechanic. And you plain want to take away the rock, because your certain fit only covers paper and scissor. |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.10 08:23:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Colonel Xaven wrote:...So, you might have a all-in-wonder fit where you don't have a "spare" slot for ECCM. Don't blame others for that. But I'm afraid to tell you that the whole pvp-approach in this game is a rock-paper-scissors mechanic. And you plain want to take away the rock, because your certain fit only covers paper and scissor. As Amarr only I can confidently say that I more often than not do not in fact have the spare slots for ECCM, at least not enough to be worth a damn. Lowslots are great to have if you want more damage or are part of the 1% who still armour tank but for everything else having mids is infinitely better. Since making relays (lows) give same bonus as ECCM (mids) is probably never going to happen (active vs. passive) the argument "use ECCM!!!" falls flat on its face for practically all of Amarr's hulls as well as a handful of Gallente.
So you say your Amarr ships cannot fit ECCM, neither mid or low? Hmm, this proves pretty much my point that your all-in-wonder-fit is not the right answer. I dont wanna go in details here which ships (of every race!) are greatly useful with ECCM and how, but since you are a 2006 player, I am sure that you are able to find out by yourself (one day). |
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